THEY WASTE THEIR TIME IN ARGUING

I see there are arguments on various Krishna conscious issues.
One argument is around "the origin of jiva."
Two camps. Each throws quotes at the other to support their position.

1.The jiva never falls from the Vaikuntha planets. He comes from somewhere else and has never been to the any of the planets in the spiritual sky. Furthermore, He has never been a person before either....
and the other...

2. Yes he can and does fall from Vaikuntha into forgetfulness of his actual nature as spiritual spark servant of God due to misuse of independence. 

It's fast and furious, and gentlemanly for the most part. No one seems to get nasty and Avaishnava as in the arguments over initiations in ISKCON.

However what is missing is someone who actually has realization. No one is actually speaking from the platform of any personal realization on either side. Simply finding quotes and throwing them at each other. This will never settle the issue.

The only thing that can settle this issue is someone who actually has "personal" realization. And none of them do. They waste their time in arguing.