Saturday, September 28, 2013

SPIRITUAL PRACTICE - WHY?


Ashok Kumar Practice in spirituality is a poppycock. It is about inner introspection and exploration of the eternity. The examples you have given essentially applies to the objective world, a play of ego and dualism. Spirituality is all about intuitive understanding and not about perception and cognition. It is a pathless land and what you need is a vision to see things objectively, as they are before us. Ashtavakra calls an enlightened being as a total IDLER, reveling in His own majestic presence.
Thank you

Meena Devi Dasi replies to Ashok Kumar
Practice of some sort will be there. The rules of practice vary according to the level of realization of the practitioner.
" In the beginning one must have a preliminary desire for self-realization. This will bring one to the stage of trying to associate with persons who are spiritually elevated. In the next stage one becomes initiated by an elevated spiritual master, and under his instruction the neophyte devotee begins the process of devotional service. By execution of devotional service under the guidance of the spiritual master, one becomes free from all material attachment, attains steadiness in self-realization, and acquires a taste for hearing about the Absolute Personality of Godhead, Shri Krishna. This taste leads one further forward to attachment for Krishna consciousness, which is matured in bhava, or the preliminary stage of transcendental love of God. Real love for God is called prema, the highest perfectional stage of life." Six faults that destroy bhakti - nyamagraha
In the process of devotional service, whatever rules are prescribed for each level are all subordinate to one principle rule:
Remembering Krishna is the eternal duty. All other prescriptions mentioned in the shastras have arisen from this main prescription. Forgetting Krishna is never allowed. All other prohibitions mentioned in the shastras have arisen from this main prohibition. Keeping this main prescription in mind while advancing, the practitioner should give up his attachment for the prescriptions of the previous level and accept the prescriptions of the next level." Six faults destroy bhakti - nyamagraha
Those who are pure in devotion need not follow any rules but they may follow rules to help others. Even Krishna Himself does this:
"O son of Pṛthā, there is no work prescribed for Me within all the three planetary systems. Nor am I in want of anything, nor have I need to obtain anything—and yet I am engaged in work. For, if I did not engage in work, O Pārtha, certainly all men would follow My path. If I should cease to work, then all these worlds would be put to ruination. I would also be the cause of creating unwanted population, and I would thereby destroy the peace of all sentient beings." BG 3:22-24
This is the essence of the Gita: Krishna is asking Arjuna to come to higher level. "Abandon all varieties of religiousness and just surrender to me..." BG 18:66 

Ashok Kumar Replies to Meena Devi Dasi
You have elaborated quite comprehensively. This is how a debate takes its course. Very nice! 
This may be a shocking statement for you. It may heart your conditioned Seeker-ego which you might have built with so much effort, time and energy. I don't know about you and your pursuits. But i ask a simple question! Where do you find yourself on this path and are you content with progress so far. Love and gratitude

Meena Devi Dasi replies to Ashok Kumar
I find my myself at your feet.

Ashok Kumar Replies to Meena Devi Dasi
You are welcome

Dhyan Arpitam replies to Ashok Kumar
An expert swimmer may advice the new learner to just enter the water have self-confidence, be fearless, trust the water and 'let go', you will float. But how many can do that? Only after he becomes good at swimming, he agrees -there is no need to throw hands and feet, you can just float and be weightless. So it is with the spiritual practices…just surrender to HIM and be happy. 

B.k. Jagadish Replies to Meena Devi Dasi
NICE Analysis Meena Ji !....Thank You !...
But I do not Understand/Agree your mentioning : -
" Those who are pure in devotion need not follow any rules... " 


Meena Devi Dasi replies to B.k. Jagadish
Rules are not followed for the sake of following rules. There is a goal. When the goal is reached the rules are not necessary. The goal of following rules in spiritual practice is to reawaken love of God lying dormant in the heart. When love of God is awakened then the Lord guides and directs the devotee from within. We are spirit not matter. As long as we have some attachment for enjoying, controlling material nature we will need some rules to guide us out of this tendency. But when we are completely free from the desire to enjoy material nature (even though we may be dealing with it in everyday life) by experiencing a higher taste in loving service to the Lord there is no need for such rules. 
"The embodied soul may be restricted from sense enjoyment, though the taste for sense objects remains. But, ceasing such engagements by experiencing a higher taste, he is fixed in consciousness." BG 2:59
For most of us this higher taste comes from the mercy of the Lord in the form of His Pure Devotees. It can come directly from the Lord Himself, but that is very rare. This is the great value of association with devotees. 

B.k. Jagadish replies to Meena Devi Dasi
Agreed !... But you are Conveniently side-stepping the following Words of the Lord Meena Ji ! 
यद्यदाचरति श्रेष्ठस्तत्तदेव    तरो जनः |
स यत्प्रमाणं कुरुते लोकस्तदनुवर्तते ||३-२१||
yadyadAcharati shreShThastattadevetaro janaH .
sa yatpramANaM kurute lokastadanuvartate .. 3-21..
"Whatever a great man does, that alone other men also do; whatever he sets up as the standard, that the world (people) follows."
Btw I consider you as a Great Soul Meena Ji !ha ha ha ......
My PRANAMS at your Feet !..... Thank You for your kind reply !.... 

Arun Sharma Replies to B.k. Jagadish
Dear Jagdish Sir
In my humble opinion Shree Meena Jee has not side stepped any words of Lord. What lord said is " Whatever a great man does, that alone other men also do; whatever he sets up as the standard, that the world (people) follows." Now the question is who is a great man. The choice is simple & obvious whoever in the Love of Lord ( Prema ) is a great man & whatever h/she do will become rules for other to follow.
With warm regards Dhyan Arpitam Replies to Arun Sharma
Good question... who is the great man... Takes one know one, isn't it? 

Dhyan Arpitam replies to Meena Devi Dasi
Excellent....difference is like between a blind man and one with sight. The blind needs cruthes (rules) or he will collide and may hurt self of others... the one with sight... well he sees, right? 

Sreeram Manoj Kumar  replies to Meena Devi Dasi
Excellent Meena ji :):):):):):)

Meena Devi Dasi replies to Sreeram Manoj Kumar 
There is flood of love of Godhead on the way. Like a giant tsunami it is building now. When it hits the shore we will all be swept away. Floating, swimming, drowning in an ocean of bliss... jaya Sri Krishna Chaitanya sankirtana...

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