Discussion on guru tattva #3
Considering Arjuna and Dronacharya.
Dronacharya was Arjuna's spiritual master.
He was also the spiritual master for all the Pandavas and the Kurus.
Dronacharya was Arjuna's spiritual master.
He was also the spiritual master for all the Pandavas and the Kurus.
The young men learned among other things discipline....
control of the mind and senses.... and military arts from their guru.
Which is appropriate since they were kshatriya's not brahmanas.
If they had been brahmanas they would have learned discipline...
control of the mind and senses... and how to study the Vedas,
perform rituals and sacrifices, chant mantras and worship the deities.
So Dronacharya was Arjuna's initiating spiritual master.
They studied in his school under his direct supervision.
control of the mind and senses.... and military arts from their guru.
Which is appropriate since they were kshatriya's not brahmanas.
If they had been brahmanas they would have learned discipline...
control of the mind and senses... and how to study the Vedas,
perform rituals and sacrifices, chant mantras and worship the deities.
So Dronacharya was Arjuna's initiating spiritual master.
They studied in his school under his direct supervision.
It wasn't until later on when Arjuna was faced with a dilemma
of how to perform his duty as a kshatriya that Krishna Himself
not in some vague or all pervading way,
but Krishna in human form who actually was on the planet at the time
became his instructing guru. Krishna was Arjuna's siksa guru.
of how to perform his duty as a kshatriya that Krishna Himself
not in some vague or all pervading way,
but Krishna in human form who actually was on the planet at the time
became his instructing guru. Krishna was Arjuna's siksa guru.
"...Now I am Your disciple, and a soul surrendered unto You.
Please instruct me." BG 2.7
Please instruct me." BG 2.7
In what?
"The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvān, and Vivasvān instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Ikṣvāku." BG 4.1
And how is it received?
"This supreme science was thus received through the chain of disciplic succession, and the saintly kings understood it in that way. But in course of time the succession was broken, and therefore the science as it is appears to be lost." BG 4.2
"That very ancient science of the relationship with the Supreme is today told by Me to you because you are My devotee as well as My friend..." BG 4.3
In BG 4.2. Krishna says the science "appears" to lost. In the BG 4.1 Krishna says the science is imperishable.
If the science is imperishable then the succession is also imperishable and only appears to be lost from time to time. In other words the disciplic succession never ends. There is no "final acarya to end all acaryas."
For there to be a disciple there must discipline
for there to be discipline there must be a person spiritual master.
It is not enough to have some all pervading idea of a spiritual master.
That is not the imperishable science of yoga
Krishna is personally presenting to Arjuna.
for there to be discipline there must be a person spiritual master.
It is not enough to have some all pervading idea of a spiritual master.
That is not the imperishable science of yoga
Krishna is personally presenting to Arjuna.
If I am correct in my understanding...
This shows how very, very significant the siksa guru is.
How the diksa guru and the siksa guru can
perform "different specific functions."
This shows how very, very significant the siksa guru is.
How the diksa guru and the siksa guru can
perform "different specific functions."
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